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The Occupy Movement

Post by will on Fri 07 Oct 2011, 5:55 am

In the past few weeks the people of America have began organizing protests. The protest started off small with no news coverage whatsoever. Yesterday Wall Street in the center of New York City had around 15,000 protesters. The movement has adopted the motto "We are the 99%". The first picture will explain why. Protests have reached over 400 cities in the past few days.

What do you think of all of this? Have you guys not from America heard news coverage about any of this?


An explanation of the "99%"

The lions are at the door.

Police beating up protesters.


My favorite video so far.


A good news cast I found.
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Post by joebarnes on Fri 07 Oct 2011, 10:09 am

Seen bits on the real news twitter feed, but as a follower of UK news it hasn't been given much if any coverage.
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Post by aprilMCC on Fri 07 Oct 2011, 11:22 am

Though I haven't watched much news I do believe we're getting quite a bit up here. We usually do, and if not most people have american channels so we get it through your news.
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Re: The Occupy Movement

Post by Malky on Fri 07 Oct 2011, 10:25 pm

People on Reddit are arseholes. That's what I've got out of this whole thing. And Tony Bologna is pepper spray happy.
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Re: The Occupy Movement

Post by Poppins on Sat 08 Oct 2011, 4:19 am

will wrote:

An explanation of the "99%"

This graph is awful. It's a gross abuse of statistical analysis, and doesn't tell you anything except that a small minority of people are super rich, and most of the rest of us aren't. Even so, that 90% is still going to cover an awful lot of households that are reasonably well off. While they might not have diamond yachts, they can afford to feed, clothe, house and transport themselves, and they can also afford a few little luxuries here and there to make life that little bit nicer. You know, a week's holiday, a nice pair of shoes, an iPod, that sort of thing. They are nowhere near being in the same economic position as, say, steel workers made redundant when the biggest local employer closes down, threatening a chain reaction of other local business closures and therefore further decreased job opportunities. There is an awful, awful division of wealth in the world, but the way that data has been used in this chart is a scare tactic to make people think, "My income is comfortably above the 90% average, but well below the 10% average, therefore I am in the 90% zone, therefore I am poor. What an awful situation I am in. This is going to make me join in with these protests, because I don't want to be poor."

That, to me, is the crux of the problem with this movement. It's a movement based on a very valid ideological point, which is that a large percentage of wealth and power is controlled by a small percentage of the population. This effectively disenfranchises the majority and leads to the stagnation of social mobility. However, the cause is being taken up by people who it doesn't actually affect; more to the point, they aren't taking up the cause because they feel a moral obligation to do so on behalf of those in need, but because rhetoric and the culture of ego has convinced them that they are the ones in need.

There is a tumblr account collecting photo stories from people - (http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/) - but amidst the horror stories, there are also a lot of people who just aren't happy that they can't afford to do whatever they like. In between the people having to buy fish antibiotics because they can't afford health insurance, I found this guy:



TBH, I can't tell if he's a troll or not, because there's a lot wrong with this story. If you decide to do a Master's Degree in something that is essentially a specialised subject with almost no application outside of academia, then you ought to realise beforehand that the knowledge you gain from it will not open any employment doors, but will cost you a fortune to complete. Spending his money on high-speed internet and a new car (which ought to be luxury items by any standard) while also complaining that two children he helped bring into the world need to be clothed and fed is pretty appalling as well.

That attitude is well reflected in the middle video that Will posted, too. At one point the video pans away from the chap making a speech and takes in a nearby gentleman who is smoking and wearing expensive looking headphones around his neck. If you're going to buy cigarettes and unnecessary electrical products and then display them openly while you're on an anti-capitalist rally to protest how badly-off you are, then you're a dick and a hypocrite.*

TL;DR? The US is currently an awful place to be if you lose your job or fall ill. This is made worse by the promotion of individualism and personal rights over social democracy and personal responsibility, so people have to be convinced that they are as badly off as you before they lift a finger to help you fight for change.










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Re: The Occupy Movement

Post by joebarnes on Tue 11 Oct 2011, 4:26 am

If you have been following The Occupy Movement register your support over at Avaaz.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/the_world_vs_wall_st/?cDdbrbb

You could even go a little further and go see if you have a local meet up at http://15october.net/ .

Of course that is if you are not in Birmingham or like myself at a football game.


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Re: The Occupy Movement

Post by Malky on Tue 11 Oct 2011, 6:19 am

I am the 9%.

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Re: The Occupy Movement

Post by Poppins on Tue 11 Oct 2011, 8:31 am

Malky wrote:I am the 9%.


Hey, I resemble that remark!
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