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Post by kappa99 on Mon 08 Mar 2010, 6:56 am

Youv probably seen in the news that one of Jamie Bulgers killers is back behind bars, "supposedly" on child porn charges.

Jamie Bulgers mum has said it is "her right" to know full details of why he is back behind bars and said so even before it was known why.

I have every sympathy for the woman over what happened, and I dont agree with the release of the killers (who were age 10 when they did it) as it was a brutal, cold murder, but I think she is wrong to say its her right to know details of an unrelated case.

The law has stated that the 2 boys has spent their time for the murder of Jamie, and despite what I, or her, or anyone else thinks and disagrees, that is what the law says, and they must be treated as the law states.
Any other criminal r suspected criminal is given some protection due to the fact that they have not yet been found guilty and any exposure, knowledge of previous behaviour etc could lead to an unfair trial, or disrupt them if found not guilty and they return to the normal world.

The trial will now be held in front of a jury who knows his past and no matter what his trial will always be deemed unfair- whether he is or isnt guilty.

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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by ChumbaWumba on Mon 08 Mar 2010, 8:32 am

Makes me sick man.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Niamh on Mon 08 Mar 2010, 11:08 am

What he did as a child was fucked.
They shouldn't have rehabilitated them as soon as they did.
There's got to be something seriously wrong with you, or something immensely traumatic happen to you, for you to act in that way at such a young age without interference from an adult.
They commited a disturbing crime that day... I think something like that isn't something you can just make go away or reverse.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by HappySailor69 on Mon 08 Mar 2010, 8:15 pm

The fact they we're 10 when they did it, only eight years older than Jamie. Seriously fucked in the head.

Shame we dont have an Arkham
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by kappa99 on Tue 09 Mar 2010, 1:09 am

Niamh wrote:What he did as a child was fucked.
They shouldn't have rehabilitated them as soon as they did.
There's got to be something seriously wrong with you, or something immensely traumatic happen to you, for you to act in that way at such a young age without interference from an adult.
They commited a disturbing crime that day... I think something like that isn't something you can just make go away or reverse.

Thats not my point, Niamh, I personally think they should still be behind bars.

My point is, as the law sees it, they have served time and are now free and should be treated as such, regardless of whether or not we believe they should be inside.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Niamh on Tue 09 Mar 2010, 10:38 am

The law is fucked.
(I always have the intellectual answers...)
I think she should be allowed to find out the details about his new case. He murdered her son... he's part of her life now.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Malky on Tue 09 Mar 2010, 11:07 am

No, she shouldn't. The whole point of anonymity is anonymity. You tell her, it's in the public domain. You'd have the vigilantes who were out to kill him in 2001 when he got released out to kill him again. I can't argue that what he did wasn't heinous beyond belief, it was, but Bulger's mum has as much right to know as I do.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by GeorgeMoshington on Tue 09 Mar 2010, 11:29 am

Removing their anoyminty is just like assinging them a death warrant.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by GeorgeMoshington on Tue 09 Mar 2010, 11:39 am

Feel free to move to the USA, Saudi or Pakistan if ye want a death penalty.

The reason the prisoners have been givin new identities isnt just to protect them, but also to save other citizens who otherwise wouldnt commit murder, ruining their family's lives, losing their own liberty and costing more money fir the taxpayer. More lives wasted. Crying or Very sad

Ah fukin' hate all this reactionary, tabloid outrage (how often, since it happened, have you thought about wee Bulger?)
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by kappa99 on Tue 09 Mar 2010, 9:22 pm

Bulgers mum now says she cant eat, has pulled her kids out of school and is traumatised.

Surely now that Venebles is inside, its safer than its ever been for her kids to go to school?
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Jed on Wed 10 Mar 2010, 6:25 am

GeorgeMoshington wrote:Feel free to move to the USA, Saudi or Pakistan if ye want a death penalty.

The reason the prisoners have been givin new identities isnt just to protect them, but also to save other citizens who otherwise wouldnt commit murder, ruining their family's lives, losing their own liberty and costing more money fir the taxpayer. More lives wasted. Crying or Very sad

Ah fukin' hate all this reactionary, tabloid outrage (how often, since it happened, have you thought about wee Bulger?)

Probably the most meaningful post you've ever made on the forum lolol.

I agree with Malky, she doesn't have a right. And as Liam said, it would fuck the lives of other people who at the moment are clean. People like Venables should be hung.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by GeorgeMoshington on Wed 10 Mar 2010, 6:32 am

Jed wrote:
GeorgeMoshington wrote:Feel free to move to the USA, Saudi or Pakistan if ye want a death penalty.

The reason the prisoners have been givin new identities isnt just to protect them, but also to save other citizens who otherwise wouldnt commit murder, ruining their family's lives, losing their own liberty and costing more money fir the taxpayer. More lives wasted. Crying or Very sad

Ah fukin' hate all this reactionary, tabloid outrage (how often, since it happened, have you thought about wee Bulger?)

Probably the most meaningful post you've ever made on the forum lolol.

I agree with Malky, she doesn't have a right. And as Liam said, it would fuck the lives of other people who at the moment are clean. People like Venables should be hung.

I can make meaningful posts, in meaningful topics. Just not many meaningful topics. Smile
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Malky on Wed 10 Mar 2010, 7:20 am

Jed wrote:People like Venables should be hung.
YEAH! LET'S HANG CHILDREN.

Capital punishment never solved anything.


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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by GeorgeMoshington on Wed 10 Mar 2010, 7:30 am

What haha.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by GeorgeMoshington on Wed 10 Mar 2010, 7:35 am

Misquote keh
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Nia on Wed 10 Mar 2010, 7:37 am

I do agree with them (to some extent) on not releasing details of his custody, because you are "innocent until proven guilty" I suppose, and if any details were released, a) he'd be lynched, and b) I doubt he'd get a fair chance at this new case. Despite this, what is fair when a two year old boy is tortured and killed?
In a newspaper I saw some of Venables' drawings when he was a child - of things like axes and brutal murder, so obviously there was indefinitely something wrong with him, and he should have got and still should have serious psychological help, instead of juvy for eight years
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Jed on Thu 11 Mar 2010, 5:06 am

Malky wrote:
Jed wrote:People like Venables should be hung.
YEAH! LET'S HANG CHILDREN.

Capital punishment never solved anything.

He's 26.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Nia on Thu 11 Mar 2010, 5:12 am

but he killed the baby when he was 10
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Malky on Thu 11 Mar 2010, 5:54 am

Jed wrote:
Malky wrote:
Jed wrote:People like Venables should be hung.
YEAH! LET'S HANG CHILDREN.

Capital punishment never solved anything.

He's 26.
When he killed Bulger he was 10.
And I still don't see where you're coming from.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Jed on Thu 11 Mar 2010, 6:15 am

I know he was 10 when he killed him. I just mean Jon Venables should be killed, end of. Anybody that does what he did to a child at the age of 10 is clearly fucked up beyond correction.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by HappySailor69 on Thu 11 Mar 2010, 7:23 am

Nah leave him to rot in prison, whats killing him gonna go, It'd be better for him.
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Post by Jed on Thu 11 Mar 2010, 7:55 am

JoshXCI wrote:Nah leave him to rot in prison, whats killing him gonna go, It'd be better for him.

Well I'd agree with that if prisons weren't filled with Sky+ which I don't even have in my house, and PS3's, 360's and various other activities to "rehabilitate" them. A cell that they're in on their own for the rest of their entire lives (literally) with a blob of shite porridge every morning maybe.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Kieran on Fri 12 Mar 2010, 6:35 am

Why the hell do prisons give the criminals such luxeries? My mate is having to work his arse off at the moment to save up for an Xbox 360, yet in prison it's gifted to them on a plate.
They're also spending their days on Facebook in between playing 5 a side games of football and snooker tournaments whilst their favourite programmes are being recorded on Sky+.

I was under the impression prison was being stuck in a cell on your own for most of the day with awful food being served and very edgy shower times.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by kappa99 on Sat 13 Mar 2010, 3:33 am

Because EVERYTHING in this country is now geared to either minorities, people doing something wrong or people who CBA doing anything for themselves. If you work hard, or are in the majority, or your group previously enjoyed superior rights in the past, your being made to pay for it.

Its what happens when a Labour government takes control for 3 terms.
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Re: John Venables/Jamie Bulger

Post by Elemental on Mon 15 Mar 2010, 7:51 pm

Life in prison should mean you're there till you die, there should be no second chances and no realistic grounds for appeal in such clear cut murder cases. You steal someones right to a life then you don't deserve a chance at living yours outside bars. Age is irellevant.
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